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	<title>Comments on: Extreme Makeover: TCAAP in Minneapolis</title>
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		<title>By: bill cenne</title>
		<link>http://www.sprol.com/2005/08/tcaap/comment-page-1/#comment-389018</link>
		<dc:creator>bill cenne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 03:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The plant served it&#039;s purpose and helped keep Americans free through three wars.  Now I say it&#039;s time to &quot;free&quot; the land, clean up the toxic waste and let nature take it&#039;s course. The Vikings have a stadium, fix it up like everybody else does to their home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The plant served it&#8217;s purpose and helped keep Americans free through three wars.  Now I say it&#8217;s time to &#8220;free&#8221; the land, clean up the toxic waste and let nature take it&#8217;s course. The Vikings have a stadium, fix it up like everybody else does to their home.</p>
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		<title>By: T PEG</title>
		<link>http://www.sprol.com/2005/08/tcaap/comment-page-1/#comment-298728</link>
		<dc:creator>T PEG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 19:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 1941 there was no &quot;City of Arden Hills&quot; to clamor about building the TCAAP.  There were very few people who lived there - it was mostly farm land at that point, and the Federal Government forced people off their properties in 30 days.  No one had a say -- the government wanted the plant up and running to manufacture munition for WWII, the location was near major roads, and was relatively undeveloped.

So to make it less like a fairy-tale and more of an object lesson – you can&#039;t blame the &quot;community&quot; when the community had nothing to do with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 1941 there was no &#8220;City of Arden Hills&#8221; to clamor about building the TCAAP.  There were very few people who lived there &#8211; it was mostly farm land at that point, and the Federal Government forced people off their properties in 30 days.  No one had a say &#8212; the government wanted the plant up and running to manufacture munition for WWII, the location was near major roads, and was relatively undeveloped.</p>
<p>So to make it less like a fairy-tale and more of an object lesson – you can&#8217;t blame the &#8220;community&#8221; when the community had nothing to do with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lived nearby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lived nearby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up and lived nearby.  It really isn&#039;t one of the worst places on earth.  One of the priciest/highest income communities in the entire United States is nearby (North Oaks) and it is a beautiful tract of land.  People purchased and built houses in the area in the 1980s, and there really aren&#039;t any issues with children who grew up in the area.

I drove by it every single day for 20 years, drank well water, and am fit as a fiddle with no issues whatsoever.  A good job has been done keeping any contaminants out, and it really is a beautiful piece of land.  I say that we let nature continue to restore the land.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up and lived nearby.  It really isn&#8217;t one of the worst places on earth.  One of the priciest/highest income communities in the entire United States is nearby (North Oaks) and it is a beautiful tract of land.  People purchased and built houses in the area in the 1980s, and there really aren&#8217;t any issues with children who grew up in the area.</p>
<p>I drove by it every single day for 20 years, drank well water, and am fit as a fiddle with no issues whatsoever.  A good job has been done keeping any contaminants out, and it really is a beautiful piece of land.  I say that we let nature continue to restore the land.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben &#38; Tina&#8217;s World&#187; Blog Archive &#187; TCAAP is open</title>
		<link>http://www.sprol.com/2005/08/tcaap/comment-page-1/#comment-263785</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben &#38; Tina&#8217;s World&#187; Blog Archive &#187; TCAAP is open</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Twin Cities Army Ammunition Plant (TCAAP) was listed in 2005 as one of the worst places on earth by SPROL.com.Â Construction on Twin Cities AAP began in August 1941, and production started in February 1942. During WW II, the plant produced more than 4 billion rounds of ammunition. From 1950 to 1957, 3.5 billion rounds of small arms ammunition, 3.2 million 195-mm artillery shell metal parts, and 715,000 155-mm shell metal parts were produced. The plant was placed on layaway status in several stages from 1971 to 1974. It is now inactive. Decontamination of the site began in 2001. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Twin Cities Army Ammunition Plant (TCAAP) was listed in 2005 as one of the worst places on earth by SPROL.com.Â Construction on Twin Cities AAP began in August 1941, and production started in February 1942. During WW II, the plant produced more than 4 billion rounds of ammunition. From 1950 to 1957, 3.5 billion rounds of small arms ammunition, 3.2 million 195-mm artillery shell metal parts, and 715,000 155-mm shell metal parts were produced. The plant was placed on layaway status in several stages from 1971 to 1974. It is now inactive. Decontamination of the site began in 2001. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.sprol.com/2005/08/tcaap/comment-page-1/#comment-11916</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 23:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked for about two years at this site. Let me give you my thoughts:

&quot;It&#039;s a pity that Alliant and the DoD, who created the problem in the first place, are in charge of the cleanup. Not that they have to pay for it, of courseâ€“that&#039;s only fairâ€“but that they seem to have a fair bit of control and decision-making power over the day-to-day operations. It&#039;s hard to imagine they&#039;ll do it right this time, since they made such a mess of things the first time around.&quot;

The MPCA and EPA are in charge of the cleanup. I had to submit reports monthly and quarterly to these agencies and to the Army. There is a great deal of oversight involved, I talked to the MPCA rep every day when I worked there.

&quot;All persons in governmental positions dealing with construction of plants dealing with toxic materialsâ€“ or responsible for the disposing of toxic waste should read this article. It&#039;s a terrifying aspect of our era.&quot;

The pollution occurred before we really knew what we were doing, i.e. pre-1960&#039;s environmental movement. The problem with the groundwater from TCE was from burn pits from the 40&#039;s to the 50&#039;s. We know better know. But your point is valid.

&quot;I have been reading with interest the developments over the last couple of decades in bioremediation, particularly the ability of some plants to sequester several heavy metals, to the extent that some of them are actually like a low-mid grade ore in terms of percentage of dry mass. Has anyone studied this technique for d.u.? There are a lot of places around the world that could use this.&quot;

AND

&quot;In fact one type of bioremediation was used at the site - but for the lead in the area rather than DU. TCAAP included a test site of about 2 acres for phytoremediation.&quot;

This experiment worked on one site, failed miserably on another. The technology is most likely sound in most cases but the problem on the failed site was the groundwater was only about 5 feet below the surface. So, the lead bonded  (as it was supposed to do) with the kealate agent but instead of being absorbed by the plant material it leached into the groundwater. Getting lead out of groundwater is not difficult, but when it is bonded to something else it is a pain. I found a pump-and-treat solution that from my knowledge is still being used.

The site in question that I worked on is not really a problem unless someone wanted to put a well on site. It may take years to completely remediate the site (depending on what standards developers/government wants), but it may not be worth the money since I don&#039;t see how any lead from this groundwater would impact Rice Creek. We tested for over a year, groundwater moves slowly but it can be quantified that there was no negative impact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked for about two years at this site. Let me give you my thoughts:</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s a pity that Alliant and the DoD, who created the problem in the first place, are in charge of the cleanup. Not that they have to pay for it, of courseâ€“that&#8217;s only fairâ€“but that they seem to have a fair bit of control and decision-making power over the day-to-day operations. It&#8217;s hard to imagine they&#8217;ll do it right this time, since they made such a mess of things the first time around.&#8221;</p>
<p>The MPCA and EPA are in charge of the cleanup. I had to submit reports monthly and quarterly to these agencies and to the Army. There is a great deal of oversight involved, I talked to the MPCA rep every day when I worked there.</p>
<p>&#8220;All persons in governmental positions dealing with construction of plants dealing with toxic materialsâ€“ or responsible for the disposing of toxic waste should read this article. It&#8217;s a terrifying aspect of our era.&#8221;</p>
<p>The pollution occurred before we really knew what we were doing, i.e. pre-1960&#8242;s environmental movement. The problem with the groundwater from TCE was from burn pits from the 40&#8242;s to the 50&#8242;s. We know better know. But your point is valid.</p>
<p>&#8220;I have been reading with interest the developments over the last couple of decades in bioremediation, particularly the ability of some plants to sequester several heavy metals, to the extent that some of them are actually like a low-mid grade ore in terms of percentage of dry mass. Has anyone studied this technique for d.u.? There are a lot of places around the world that could use this.&#8221;</p>
<p>AND</p>
<p>&#8220;In fact one type of bioremediation was used at the site &#8211; but for the lead in the area rather than DU. TCAAP included a test site of about 2 acres for phytoremediation.&#8221;</p>
<p>This experiment worked on one site, failed miserably on another. The technology is most likely sound in most cases but the problem on the failed site was the groundwater was only about 5 feet below the surface. So, the lead bonded  (as it was supposed to do) with the kealate agent but instead of being absorbed by the plant material it leached into the groundwater. Getting lead out of groundwater is not difficult, but when it is bonded to something else it is a pain. I found a pump-and-treat solution that from my knowledge is still being used.</p>
<p>The site in question that I worked on is not really a problem unless someone wanted to put a well on site. It may take years to completely remediate the site (depending on what standards developers/government wants), but it may not be worth the money since I don&#8217;t see how any lead from this groundwater would impact Rice Creek. We tested for over a year, groundwater moves slowly but it can be quantified that there was no negative impact.</p>
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		<title>By: Ina Roy-Faderman</title>
		<link>http://www.sprol.com/2005/08/tcaap/comment-page-1/#comment-450</link>
		<dc:creator>Ina Roy-Faderman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2005 16:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David - Thanks for your comment and question. In fact one type of bioremediation was used at the site - but for the lead in the area rather than DU. TCAAP included a test site of about 2 acres for  phytoremediation.

ina</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David &#8211; Thanks for your comment and question. In fact one type of bioremediation was used at the site &#8211; but for the lead in the area rather than DU. TCAAP included a test site of about 2 acres for  phytoremediation.</p>
<p>ina</p>
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		<title>By: phyllis</title>
		<link>http://www.sprol.com/2005/08/tcaap/comment-page-1/#comment-447</link>
		<dc:creator>phyllis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All persons in governmental positions dealing with construction of plants dealing with toxic materials-- or responsible for the disposing of toxic waste should read this article. It&#039;s a terrifying aspect of our era.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All persons in governmental positions dealing with construction of plants dealing with toxic materials&#8211; or responsible for the disposing of toxic waste should read this article. It&#8217;s a terrifying aspect of our era.</p>
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